Post by Denethor on Feb 25, 2010 13:56:51 GMT -5
This is the part where you actually have a "miracle"; in the sense that since you can't get something for nothing there never really was a "beginning part" to the Something. Since any "creation point" one proposes has to have a point before and a point before (or a creator before and a creator before) until you reach that miraculous self-created one, Occam's Razor would suggest that we are currently living in the "miraculous" One. Which includes the Many. At this point you get past what the brain can do. That's why It appears to be "outside" of the Universe; it is simply outside of our (meaning all of us!) understanding. Really It is both "in" and "through" (depending on perspective) what we see; this is what is meant by statements like "It is always before you".
How Something can be "always before you" and yet so hard to "talk" to, is yet another conundrum. Frankly, at times the world appears to be made of these little contradictions.
Aside with Pet Peeve Alert: This is where a lot of monotheists (and pseudo-monotheists) break off from any conception of reason; they get to the Self-Caused Cause and suddenly it's all anthropomorphic again. You can actually see the monkey take over, and what two minutes ago appeared to be a perfectly intelligent human being becomes a superstitious-peasantish monster. They can't have the Universe being all holy and causing itself; there's no room in that for the hairy thunderer they really want, let alone the leather-winged bottom-feeder they want even more. At that point the discussion with said "monotheist" (treading carefully so as not to pick on any particular religion; my pattern of always bumping into the adherents of a particular faith who do this probably has more to do with where I live than with anyone's doctrine) is broken and hopeless, and any further attempt to explain runs the risk of devolving into an argument. Just one of my pet peeves about a particular other place I often go to for philosophical discussion, thanks for enduring my minor spleen vent.
How Something can be "always before you" and yet so hard to "talk" to, is yet another conundrum. Frankly, at times the world appears to be made of these little contradictions.
Aside with Pet Peeve Alert: This is where a lot of monotheists (and pseudo-monotheists) break off from any conception of reason; they get to the Self-Caused Cause and suddenly it's all anthropomorphic again. You can actually see the monkey take over, and what two minutes ago appeared to be a perfectly intelligent human being becomes a superstitious-peasantish monster. They can't have the Universe being all holy and causing itself; there's no room in that for the hairy thunderer they really want, let alone the leather-winged bottom-feeder they want even more. At that point the discussion with said "monotheist" (treading carefully so as not to pick on any particular religion; my pattern of always bumping into the adherents of a particular faith who do this probably has more to do with where I live than with anyone's doctrine) is broken and hopeless, and any further attempt to explain runs the risk of devolving into an argument. Just one of my pet peeves about a particular other place I often go to for philosophical discussion, thanks for enduring my minor spleen vent.